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ku2u
12-08-2005, 07:58 AM
Ok, if you are just gonna write spam then go ahead, i dont care, i just want somebody to help me on this thread.

if i could lift weights and not get my body out of alignment then i could have an easier life with my coaches. the coaches just hate me now because i dont lift weights. I can still get faster from bodyweight exercises, speed and agility drill, and stretching a bunch.

There are many athletes in the NFL that dont lift weights, even OL. Id say mostly receivers, which is wat i play

Backa53
12-08-2005, 08:38 AM
What exactly do you mean by getting your 'body out of alignment'?

ku2u
12-08-2005, 10:14 AM
when it gets out of alignment, my running form goes wrong again, my back starts hurting like crap, i have to pay 75.00 to get it popped back in place again

dwardell19
12-08-2005, 10:20 AM
There may be athletes in the NFL that dont lift weights.... but they didnt get to the NFL by not lifting weights

ku2u
12-08-2005, 10:23 AM
no, what you said was wrong, there have been nfl players that just did labor work, and conditioning only

Blinkin215
12-08-2005, 10:28 AM
lift weights buddy, or else you'll get no where. and also what labor work do you think that could replace working out? big time labor work would do that, but thats like for full time workers, adn its tuff to get into, so just get to the weight room, and ive never heard of someones body going out of alignment every time they lift, it doesnt happen, and if it truely does to you, then sports isnt for you. theres onyl one way that wieght lifting might screw you up and that is if you are doing your weightlifting techniques and forms wrong, and i think thats what your doing, weight lift properly and you wont see any of these problems happening again.

Jhawk Fitness
12-08-2005, 10:29 AM
no, what you said was wrong, there have been nfl players that just did labor work, and conditioning only
Those players are few and far between. They are born superb athletes. I suppose you're talking about guys like Steve Emtman who grew up baling hay and working the farm. But I hate to break it to you, even guys like him lifted weights. There's an interview with him where he talks about being a sophomore in high school and putting 300 lbs. on the bench he had in his barn just to see what that much weight looked like and his dad came in and repped it 10+ times despite having never lifted weights before.

dwardell19
12-08-2005, 01:29 PM
Too many people these days are looking for the easy way out because they dont want to put the effort in the gym, its why the "secrets to..." style of books are made.

Hit the gym buddy

PolPow53
12-08-2005, 03:15 PM
what i think we all dont get is HOW lifting gets your body out of alignment, i can understand poor form on heavy deadlifts, or heavy arches during benching, or even swinging during curls and such. But if you lift controlably then you should have no problem.

We are skeptical since no one on the face of the earth has this problem.

Where did you come up with your theory?

How do pushups really differ from lets say decline bench?

Pullups from pulldowns?

ETC

What does this mean?

when it gets out of alignment, my running form goes wrong again, my back starts hurting like crap, i have to pay 75.00 to get it popped back in place again

what specifically goes out of alignment? How does it effect your running form? How do you know your bac pain is from miss alignment?Who are you paying?

poobum
12-08-2005, 04:28 PM
do pilates to keep your body in alignment! and chances are if its not your form in weight lifting den its your body already out of alignment! everytime you use a chair to sit in your body goes a little out of alignment! or your back and hips do at least! so like either start lifting proper or fix ur back!

ku2u
12-08-2005, 04:45 PM
Too many people these days are looking for the easy way out because they dont want to put the effort in the gym, its why the "secrets to..." style of books are made.

Hit the gym buddy
look man, it would be cool if i could lift weights again, and i do have the effort. Why would i be looking for an easy way out.

OLP
12-08-2005, 05:11 PM
There are many athletes in the NFL that dont lift weights, even OL. Id say mostly receivers, which is wat i play

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTT... ....

No offense, but if your body can't handle lifting weights, I don't think it could handle football. If you still want to try though, you could look into plyometrics I guess.

Air Klima 23
12-08-2005, 06:02 PM
do pilates to keep your body in alignment! and chances are if its not your form in weight lifting den its your body already out of alignment! everytime you use a chair to sit in your body goes a little out of alignment! or your back and hips do at least! so like either start lifting proper or fix ur back!


No offence poobum, cut down on your exclaimation points...lol....

Since weight lifting increases bone marrow in your bones, there wouldn't be a football player out there without a few broken bones if they didn't lift. It is so essential, not just for strength, but for a healthy body too.

WisconsinFitness
12-08-2005, 08:34 PM
RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTTT... ....

No offense, but if your body can't handle lifting weights, I don't think it could handle football. If you still want to try though, you could look into plyometrics I guess.

I agree with this 100 percent. You lift weights to get stronger and to strengthen your body for physical activity, if your body isn't letting you adapt, then it isn't going to let you safely play football.

Backa53
12-09-2005, 07:07 PM
Take up ballroom dancing.

Emotional
12-09-2005, 07:22 PM
Take up ballroom dancing.
Are you serious? i thought my teacher was lying when she said NFL players did Ballet. I could be in the NFL and I will never do Ballet.

PlantC
12-09-2005, 07:24 PM
Leave, now

Emotional
12-09-2005, 07:29 PM
Leave, now
I I captain.

MPM17AB
12-09-2005, 08:20 PM
Are you serious? i thought my teacher was lying when she said NFL players did Ballet. I could be in the NFL and I will never do Ballet.

umm.. good to know.. seriously..
and ballroom dancing is not ballet i think..

bigjoe51
12-09-2005, 08:29 PM
i don't think that any NFL player completely blows off lifting weights. I mean, seriously. I know there are guys that lift alternatelivey, i.e. Walter Jones, but i don't believe that there are players that just condition.

Backa53
12-09-2005, 08:54 PM
Are you serious? i thought my teacher was lying when she said NFL players did Ballet. I could be in the NFL and I will never do Ballet.
gee wiz....

FuzzzET
12-09-2005, 09:17 PM
there are some football players in the NFL that barley lift though, I know that. But they are vetran players that either are back-ups or have starting jobs, but are coming up soon on retirement. For instance, Brett Farve, even though in the past year he has lost weight and physically has gotten more in fit during the off-season, he dosn't often go to the weight room, if he does, not often...

Thats the only position though where I have heard that NFL players don't lift in the weightroom as much or anymore...quarterback...all the other skill positions and o and d line positions lift. Theres no other way around it or out of it, you need to lift to become a better athlete so to think that a few NFL players don't lift at all during there carrer is seldom and usually never happens...

SemiSlow
12-09-2005, 10:29 PM
The biggest benefit of lifting is preventing injuries, so lifting is essential in my opinion.

dbish77
12-10-2005, 01:53 AM
Hehe...olineman don't lift in the NFL..LOL!!! I'll tell you this much, any guy in the NFL who happened to play in college is/was lifting VERY extensively...guaranteed.

Air Klima 23
12-10-2005, 08:17 AM
Yo Emotional,

You've never ever heard Matt Leinart of USC's only class this year is BALLROOM DANCING!! lol where have you been dude???

Robby_#52
12-11-2005, 06:18 PM
sorry to tell you, but o-lineman dont bench 500-700 pounds by living on a farm

Air Klima 23
12-12-2005, 01:25 PM
sorry to tell you, but o-lineman dont bench 500-700 pounds by living on a farm

LOL You got that right. But by doing the farmwork I guess you'd get stronger but not strong enough to bench 700!!

poobum
12-12-2005, 02:46 PM
No offence poobum, cut down on your exclaimation points...lol....

Since weight lifting increases bone marrow in your bones, there wouldn't be a football player out there without a few broken bones if they didn't lift. It is so essential, not just for strength, but for a healthy body too.
every week someone new points this out! but i like them! i use them everywhere even when writing a letter or sending a message on my phone! sory i realy cant stop! i do it without thinking at this stage, hait, sory if it bothers!

rustyshackleford
12-12-2005, 03:46 PM
lol poobum

OLP
12-12-2005, 04:27 PM
sorry to tell you, but o-lineman dont bench 500-700 pounds by living on a farm

Look up Alexander Karelin. Not a football player, but an extreme bad ass



And actually QBs generally dont do much weight lifting as I recall. They do work with resistance bands and stuff, but if they tear a tricep, or even worse a rotator cuff, then they are done forever. I am sure at one point they did, but I doubt they still do.

Blinkin215
12-13-2005, 11:05 PM
Look up Alexander Karelin. Not a football player, but an extreme bad ass



And actually QBs generally dont do much weight lifting as I recall. They do work with resistance bands and stuff, but if they tear a tricep, or even worse a rotator cuff, then they are done forever. I am sure at one point they did, but I doubt they still do.

brady quinn benches 380-400 lbs.

WisconsinFitness
12-14-2005, 03:21 PM
The thing is, it doesn't really matter what sport you play...if you don't lift weights, you're gonna get your ass kicked, because there will be someone out there with just as much "god given talent" as you who DOES lift. If you want to accomplish something worth accomplishing, it's going to take lots of hard work...every single athlete in our high school that went on to play any sport in college was known for his/her strength and speed...isn't it a coincidence that every guy that has made our school's wall for squat, bench, deadlift, and clean has went on to play college ball.

QUIT BEING A LITTLE BITCH TRYING TO FIND EXCUSES NOT TO LIFT...IF YOUR BODY ''COMES OUT OF ALLIGNMENT'' WHILE LIFTING, THEN SPORTS ARE NOT FOR YOU.''

frobro
12-14-2005, 07:41 PM
I have to agree. I love to lift, as a matter of fact I prefer lifting to any other sports, with the exception of football. I don't understand why people do not want to lift...Are they embarassed that they won't put up as much weight as someone else does? If that is the case, then that person needs to work his ass off and get better. Heck, I had to do that. Everyone was putting up 250-260 while I was at 225. Now I'm at 315 on BP and the other guys are at 280. On the other hand, if you are talking about your body coming out of alignment, then go see a doctor, get it fixed, and get to lifting. I have never heard of a football player that doesn't lift, unless it's one sitting on the bench. Hell, I've pulled muscles and hurt joints while lifting. It sucks doesn't it? Well SUCK IT UP! Don't be a wussy. Be a man. Lift. Sprint. Train hard. Bodyweight stuff isn't gonna take you far, it might if you are playing pee wee's but it doesn't look like that does it?

frobro
12-14-2005, 07:45 PM
Show me a lineman that came out of college that benched 700 pounds...I mean good gracious I've never heard of such weight for a NFL player.

MPM17AB
12-14-2005, 07:48 PM
Exactly, leave your damn ego at the door when your walkin into the weight-room..
Also, LIFT WEIGHTS.. Its been said a million times but through personal experience, its HELPED a lotttt.. I went from being a 110 pound Freshmen benching 95 (1RM) and squatting 120 for reps.. To 142 pound (at the moment) Sophmore benching 180 (1RM) and squatting 185 for reps (prolly a 210+ 1RM)..
You just gotta work hard, eat right, think big.. Those are some NOOBIE gains, but through harder work i'll definantly hit over 210+ on Bench and 280-290 Squat for Reps.. Got huge goals to accomplish :D
And again, I can't stress enough how important lifting weights are when it comes to a sport like FOOTBALL.. If you plan on taking football to the next level, lift them weights..

WisconsinFitness
12-14-2005, 09:18 PM
Thank you all so much for not turning this into a flame-fest, this is a great topic and it shows our younger, more inexperienced athletes just how important lifting is for optimal athletic performance.

frobro-God has blessed you in many ways, a 315 pound bench press is awesome! Keep it up my brother. What kind of routine did you use to get your bench that high and how long did it take? Thanks a lot.

Blinkin215
12-15-2005, 12:02 AM
Show me a lineman that came out of college that benched 700 pounds...I mean good gracious I've never heard of such weight for a NFL player.


theres a OL in the NFL that benched 700+, they showed the video on monday night fball this year, he need like 5 spotters, it was crazy, but ya he's probably one of very few that can do that.

Brick_53
12-15-2005, 05:36 AM
Larry Allen was probably the guy if we were watching the same clip. He's a tank, a legend and a hell of fame shoo-in.

Blinkin215
12-15-2005, 11:03 AM
ya im pretty sure it was him. he is huge and damn, he can bench so damn much.

runjumpthrow
12-15-2005, 03:20 PM
Depending on what level of football you are playing, you could get away with not lifting weights.

The BEST football player our program has ever had was a RB who graduated three years ago. He was a two-year All-Stater and rushed for over 2500 yards in two varsity seasons.

He HATED lifting weights and never lifted for more than a week or so consistently. He was a big ol' farm boy (hog farmer) so he had a lot of functional strength, but what it came down to is that he was just a genetic freak. Before football season began, he would routinely hit a 2x bodyweight squat, over 2x bodyweight deadlift, bench about 250, and knock out about 15 pullups at a bodyweight of about 180 lbs.

Now, the biggest reason he was such a dominant player was mainly due to the fact that we are a little po-dunk hick football program. This kid was basically a big fish in a small barrell. After he graduated, he walked on at a crappy Big Ten school where the competition was much more intense than anything he saw in HS. He started lifting weights RELIGIOUSLY because he couldn't get by on sheer athleticism and good genetics any more.

Point is that you might get by for a while without lifting and training hard and heavy, but at some point, you are going to have to get into the weightroom if you want to play at the next level.

Blinkin215
12-15-2005, 04:50 PM
Depending on what level of football you are playing, you could get away with not lifting weights.

The BEST football player our program has ever had was a RB who graduated three years ago. He was a two-year All-Stater and rushed for over 2500 yards in two varsity seasons.

He HATED lifting weights and never lifted for more than a week or so consistently. He was a big ol' farm boy (hog farmer) so he had a lot of functional strength, but what it came down to is that he was just a genetic freak. Before football season began, he would routinely hit a 2x bodyweight squat, over 2x bodyweight deadlift, bench about 250, and knock out about 15 pullups at a bodyweight of about 180 lbs.

Now, the biggest reason he was such a dominant player was mainly due to the fact that we are a little po-dunk hick football program. This kid was basically a big fish in a small barrell. After he graduated, he walked on at a crappy Big Ten school where the competition was much more intense than anything he saw in HS. He started lifting weights RELIGIOUSLY because he couldn't get by on sheer athleticism and good genetics any more.

Point is that you might get by for a while without lifting and training hard and heavy, but at some point, you are going to have to get into the weightroom if you want to play at the next level.


well thats highschool, thats possible, but to play the next level or even a big time powerhouse hs team, U NEED TO LIFT WIEGHTS, no ifs ands or buts about it, you need to lift. if you dont want to lift, dont play the game, if lifting did nothing or had no point to it, then people wouldnt be wasting their time iin doing it.

Air Klima 23
12-15-2005, 06:06 PM
well thats highschool, thats possible, but to play the next level or even a big time powerhouse hs team, U NEED TO LIFT WIEGHTS, no ifs ands or buts about it, you need to lift. if you dont want to lift, dont play the game, if lifting did nothing or had no point to it, then people wouldnt be wasting their time iin doing it.

That pretty much sums up this topic. 'Nuff said.